Life Beyond The Numbers
What really makes work-life fulfilling?
Through stories, reflections and insights from leaders, thinkers and creatives, we shine a light on the invisible forces that shape our work lives — what it means to be human. This isn’t just something to tune into — it’s something to attune to.
Hosted by award-winning author Susan Ní Chríodáin, Life Beyond the Numbers is for people who care about people. Because while numbers matter — people matter more.
Episodes

Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
#16 The Key to Unlock Career Progression - Elaine Lynch
Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
Tuesday Nov 10, 2020
"And it's a real skill to be able to distill your thoughts and message: what is it that I want to say, what structure is best to put around this and then how you say it. And it's one of those things in life that can be easier said than done." Elaine Lynch.
If you are curious about how you can improve your communication skills this episode is for you. Elaine and I talk about Toastmasters International - the organisation where leaders are made. She explains how joining a club is a supportive, enjoyable and affordable way to develop communication and leadership skills. We chat about the hands-on learning environment as well as the structured educational programs, the format of the meetings and the unique identity of each club. We also talk about other aspects like mentoring and networking. Toastmasters International is a global organisation with over 360,000 members across 145 countries - there is probably one near you.
Elaine Lynch is a Corporate Treasury Services Manager based in London. Elaine qualified as a Chartered Accountant in Ireland and relocated to London in 2014. She is also President of a London based Toastmasters Club, City Limit Speakers.
Connect with Elaine on LinkedIn
Resources:
Toastmasters International https://www.toastmasters.org/
City Limits Speakers https://www.meetup.com/City-Limits-Speakers/

Tuesday Nov 03, 2020
#15 Doing Simple Things Consistently - Marcus Thompson
Tuesday Nov 03, 2020
Tuesday Nov 03, 2020
"Listen, question your assumptions and start with thinking the best of people." Marcus Thompson.
Marcus worked with Oxfam in many roles including emergency and humanitarian response. Marcus speaks about deploying to Cambodia in 1979 and being in Ethiopia in 1984. We discuss the individual traits best suited to those who respond to emergencies as well as the need for accountants on emergency response teams. Marcus shares his view on what is needed to connect with people, whatever the context, and what good management looks like. He also fondly recalls his time in India, at 18, as a VSO volunteer.
Marcus Thompson had a career spanning over 40 years with Oxfam. He worked in many countries in Asia and Africa as well as in Oxford. He received an MBE for his work in Ethiopia in 1984. He retired in 2010 but continued to volunteer with OXFAM for a number of years. He was a Trustee at Asylum Welcome for 10 years and Chair September 2020. He has now fully retired to his allotment.
Resources:
The Coaching Manual, Julie Starr
The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Stephen R. Covey

Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
#14 The MAGIC Formula - John Hayns
Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
Tuesday Oct 27, 2020
"How can I create a checklist on being kind? How can I ask in each situation I find myself in, how can I be magic in this situation?" "How can I apply the magic formula? How can I be magic in this situation?" John Hayns.
John and I talk about how important influencing skills are as a magician and in life. He explains his philosophy of kindness as a choice. Magic, for example, is not about trying to put one over on people, but about lifting people up and trying to make their lives better. It is all done by kindness and that transforms into business. We talk through his MAGIC formula - how to be kind by MAGIC. We also chat about personality types, Sufi Mystics, taking yourself on a date, baked beans and practical insights for creating work-life magic.
John Hayns is a Speaker, Writer and Entertainer. Having graduated with a Masters from Oxford University in the early ’90s, John sold web and database solutions to the legal and insurance sectors of the City of London. He is now Managing Director of two companies and the Chair of a leading trade association. He is also Chair of The Magic Circle, the premier magic society in the world, and an acknowledged expert in the fields of persuasion and direction of attention.
Connect with John:
https://www.work-life-magic.com/
Resources:
https://themagiccircle.co.uk/
The Artist's Way, Julie Cameron
To Sell is Human, Dan Pink
https://michaelhyatt.com/
https://miraclemorning.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/TMM-Journal-Sample.pdf
https://thisismyera.com/products/thisismyera-planner?variant=45373602568

Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
#13 Never Think You’re Reaching Too High - Margaret de Valois
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
Tuesday Oct 20, 2020
"As you go through your career you learn what you're good at. And one of the things I've been very lucky to have been able to do is to choose the things that I'm good at and leave behind the things that I'm not so good at and have the confidence to say, do you know what actually that's not really my bag". Margaret de Valois.
Mags and I talk about how sometimes we don't make choices in life but just do what's put in front of us. But how much more rewarding it is to make active choices and really consider what it is that you want to do not what is easy to do. We talk about how she felt as if she was in "a controlling relationship with the City" and her relocation to Cornwall. We also talk about her love of communication, music and pensions.
Margaret de Valois is an award-winning seasoned City professional now living in Cornwall. She qualified as an Actuary and works as a Business Coach who helps businesses generate great ideas and plan practical strategies to guarantee business growth. And she is a co-host of the TV show Thinking Women.
Connect with Margaret:
https://margaretdevalois.com/
https://www.facebook.com/thinkingwomentv/
Resources:
https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension

Tuesday Oct 13, 2020
#12 Building Communities - Javed Bobat
Tuesday Oct 13, 2020
Tuesday Oct 13, 2020
"Everyone seems to have some negativity, some frustration, some disappointment, even at times, anger towards recruiters. And when you repeatedly hear that, pretty much every conversation, you have to take a step back, which I did a few years ago..." "And that's where I've made the decision over the last 12, 18 months to research plan and then bring to market something that I hope will bring some humanity back within an industry where I feel it is lacking". Javed Bobat.
Javed and I discuss his three-part ethical recruitment model for finance and accounting professionals that benefits the candidate, team and business with a focus on employee well-being, engagement and retention. Javed is also a Mental Health First Aid (MHFA) Instructor and he talks about his own mental health. We discuss the recent Pulse Report he produced on the impact of remote working and the stress of lockdown and how extremely relatable people felt it was. And we chat about 'Written For You, By You' - encouraging finance and accounting professionals to write about their work-life.
Javed Bobat is based in Leeds and has spent his career in finance/accounting recruitment. He launched Fide Careers late last year. He is on a mission to prioritise people over profit and Fide is purpose-driven and socially motivated as they take a percentage of every single recruitment fee and reinvest it directly back into the team, candidate and business they recruit for. He has also set up a community interest company F=@#! Mental Health for mental health and well-being of the industry.
Connect with Javed:
https://fide.careers/
https://fmentalhealth.org/
LinkedIn: Javed Bobat
Twitter & Instagram: @fidecareers

Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
#11 Simplify, Measure & Strengthen - Sarah Whale
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
Tuesday Oct 06, 2020
"...whether it's your job, your business, your relationships, your personal finances....the decisions you make right now - what's the impact on people, planet and economy? And that's effectively what sustainability is." Sarah Whale.
Sarah Whale founder of Profit Impact, and voice of reason, talks about sustainability in plain English. She shines a light on 5 Pillars for an organisation: Finance & Governance, Communities, Environment, Employees and Customers. She talks about 'Sarah's Sustainability Snapshot' and why her mantra is 'Simplify, Measure & Strengthen'. We also discuss B Corp and UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs).
Sarah Whale is an experienced finance leader within SME businesses. Her path has not followed a traditional finance career and she has a broad range of experiences across sectors and sizes. She has supported both thriving and struggling businesses but a common thread has been decision making based on short-term financial objectives. She established Profit Impact with a clear mission - to support SMEs to strengthen their business' financial position through sustainability.
Connect with Sarah:
https://www.profit-impact.co.uk/
LinkedIn: Sarah Whale
Twitter: @profit_impact and Instagram: @profitimpact
Resources:
https://bcorporation.net/
https://sdgs.un.org/goals

Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
#10 This Feeling Business - Steve Haines
Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
Tuesday Sep 29, 2020
“Feelings aren't a beacon of eternal truth. They're a negotiation. They're always real because they are a perception inside of you, but it doesn't mean that they are accurate, useful, or true they're things that need to be negotiated. We can reframe them and construct them differently.” Steve Haines
Steve Haines takes us in-depth on the transformative power of learning to connect with our bodies with the use of some great metaphors. He explains that the biggest decision we're making in a moment is “Am I safe or not?” Steve explains that everybody gets triggered but we can learn how to reframe our feelings. We discuss how of the biggest predictors to a happy and healthy life is movement and the good news is “the best exercise, is exercise you're going to do”.
Steve Haines has been a bodyworker for over 20 years, runs regular clinics in London and Geneva and teaches all over the world. He is the author of the award winning ‘Anxiety Is Really Strange’, part of a series of graphic books that include ‘Pain Is Really Strange’ and ‘Trauma Is Really Strange’. Understanding the science of pain and trauma has transformed his approach to healing. He has studied Yoga, Shiatsu, Craniosacral Therapy, and Trauma Releasing Exercises TRE®.
Connect with Steve:https://bodycollege.net/ +
https://www.facebook.com/bodycollege/ +
Twitter @stevehaines66

Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
#9 More Than the Scorer - Jerry Harris
Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
Tuesday Sep 22, 2020
“I think that phrase is probably the tipping point where I was saying to myself, ok, I am not going to just keep the score I'm gonna make the numbers happen.” Jerry Harris
Jerry began his career with KPMG and tells us about various roles as an FD, a FD-COO hybrid, a commercial director and as a Non-Exec. He explains the importance of the human touch in recruitment and managing first impressions when you are interviewing. He shares his thoughts on three types of finance people and how accounting is a fantastic way to formulate a career. He also introduces me to the phrase 'appropriate selfishness'.
Jerry Harris is an experienced professional service business leader and adviser. He is currently working as a Non-Exec Director at various professional service and other types of businesses.
Connect with Jerry:LinkedIn @ Jerry Harris

Tuesday Sep 15, 2020
#8 Mentorship - Andrew Codd
Tuesday Sep 15, 2020
Tuesday Sep 15, 2020
“We put a lot of pressure ourselves to always be right and feel like we need to know the answer. And actually sometimes it's okay not to know the answer. And I think that's a sign of strength as well as to put your hand up say “I don't know” but I I'll go find out or I'll ask someone to help; that’s strength.” Andrew Codd.
Andrew tells us of an amazing gift he received early in his career and how his mission is to share it with others. One of the motivators to starting the podcast #SITN Show, that now has an audience in 160 countries, is that he didn't have all the answers but he knew people who probably did and says how easy it is to ask for help on behalf of other people. Andrew’s love of asking questions comes across as he keeps me on my toes when it comes to discussing work-life balance, but he concludes that there's ‘no such thing as a lack of resource just a lack of resourcefulness and you only spot that when you're out of balance’. If you are looking for a mentor know what you're looking for to some degree and think of up to 3 things someone can help you with. And if someone asks you to be a mentor to them remember that mentoring really helps you as well as the other person.
Andrew Codd is an Accountant, author and commercial finance entrepreneur. He is the host of #SITN podcast. Each week he speaks with leaders in finance and business, and deconstructs with them their real stories, insights & hard won lessons, not found in any textbooks, into practical advice on the key strengths and qualities needed as well as steps listeners can take to elevate the impact they make and to have a fun, successful & rewarding career in accounting & finance.
Connect with Andrew:LinkedIn @ Andrew Codd + #SITN Show https://sitnshow.com/
Resources:
Think and Grow Rich - Napoleon Hill
How to have a good day - Caroline Webb
Peter Drucker / Harvard Business Review
#Strength in the Numbers Show (#SITN Show) https://sitnshow.com/

Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
#7 Connecting & Communicating - Clay Moffatt
Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
Tuesday Sep 08, 2020
“Every human needs to have some form of connection, a deep connection with someone, whether that's your family, whether that's friends, we all need that kind of connection”. Clay Moffat.
Clay tells us about being a delinquent in school and his early career. And then an incident cost him a promotion and got him kicked out of his division. He began to reflect on what he contributed to that situation, and others, and there was only one common denominator. He went on to explore different methodologies on how to communicate with people but hypnosis taught him how to connect with people. We talk about connecting with people, and how asking for help makes you human and is the fastest way to get growth when you connect with the right person.
Clay Moffat is a performance hacker, a mental conditioning specialist, a mind freak, professional tearjerker and full time joker. He has a proven track record when it comes to removing anxiety, imposter syndrome, and self-sabotage, resulting in clients becoming centred, clear and confident. Clay works with Founder's, Millionaires, Pro Athletes, Nurse’s and anyone that’s a fit for his criteria and methods.
Connect with Clay:
LinkedIn: Clay Moffat + https://claymoffat.com/ + Instagram: @clay.moffat
Resources:
Matthew McConaughey future self strategy
https://www.fastcompany.com/90519396/the-science-backed-future-self-strategy-can-pave-the-way-to-greater-success

Life Beyond the Numbers
What really makes work-life fulfilling?
If you believe in putting people first — and in purpose, not just profit — this podcast is for you.
Life Beyond the Numbers explores the human side of work-life through honest conversations with leaders, thinkers and creatives. We speak about the things that matter but often go unsaid — stories, reflections and experiences that remind us: that even at work we are human beings, being human. And while numbers matter, people matter more.
Hosted by Susan Ní Chríodáin, award-winning author of Leading Beyond the Numbers and founder of Beyond the Numbers, the podcast invites listeners into a space where uniqueness is valued, voice is honoured and choice is always possible.
80% of people report feeling disengaged at work. Whether you’re part of that 80% — or part of the 20% who’s found meaning — you’re welcome here.
With over 25 years of experience leading multicultural, cross-sector teams across Europe, Africa, and Asia, Susan brings real-world depth, business acumen and emotional fluency to every conversation. Her work — as a coach, facilitator, speaker, and writer — is rooted in helping people reconnect with what truly matters.
This isn’t just something to tune into.
It’s something to attune to.









