Life Beyond The Numbers
Are you curious about having a more fulfilling work-life? Do you believe in putting people first and in purpose; not profit at any cost? If so, this podcast is for you. We place a lens on the human side of work-life.
Episodes

Saturday Jan 27, 2024
#160 Create!
Saturday Jan 27, 2024
Saturday Jan 27, 2024
"Every conversation we have is co-created with other people."
In this solo episode I reflect on the influence of creative thinking in daily life. The World Economic Forum's top 10 skills of 2023 highlights creative thinking as the second top skill. Although creativity is often linked to monumental achievements or works of art, creativity emanates from all humans in our everyday activities. It is the ability to bring something into existence that didn't exist before. Acknowledge the creativity you exhibit in your daily lives, from creating meals to creating conversations.
Resources Mentioned:
The World Economic Forum Top 10 Skills
Michael Neil
Aengus Fletcher on ChangeStories

Saturday Jan 20, 2024
#159 Freedom to be Human - Karina Rook
Saturday Jan 20, 2024
Saturday Jan 20, 2024
"We are always at our best when we have freedom to be human. And what I mean by that is when we remember, or lean into, what makes us human, oh my gosh, that's octane for our performance and it's so much easier." Karina Rook
Karina Rook is an advocate for the virtue of 'freedom to be human' in our work-lives. In our conversation we cover the importance of genuine connection, overcoming stress and burnout, the role of rest and recovery and the concept of authentic self-leadership. We discuss the art of listening to our intuition, and nurturing attributes that light us up. Karina underscores her belief that humans are wired for success, and that compassion, understanding, and freedom to be human, dissolve barriers to optimal performance. And we discuss intriguing research that demonstrates, surprisingly, that performance only accounts for 10% of career success. Image or perception by others is 30% and networking or visibility contributes a whopping 60%.
Karina Rook is the founder of Ventures Green Ltd. and has embarked on a mission to empower women in their pursuit of holistic well-being. Her qualifications span biology, business, nutrition, mindfulness, and coaching, woven with 24+ years of empowering individuals, teams, and businesses in the corporate world. She stands against workplace inequality and believes every woman deserves to shine. Ventures Green is built upon values of freedom, interconnectedness, stardust, and adventure. She is the host of the Freedom to be Human podcast.
Connect with Karina
Through her website Ventures Green
On LinkedIn
Celestial Coach on Instagram
Freedom to be Human podcast
Resources Mentioned
Harvey Coleman career success research
Dr. Dorian Dugmore
Good to Great by Jim Collins

Saturday Jan 13, 2024
#158 Wake Up - Caroline Tanja Banz
Saturday Jan 13, 2024
Saturday Jan 13, 2024
"This is my mission, I think this is what I really want to do and what I'm born to do, to help people wake up." Caroline Tanja Banz
Caroline Tanja Banz shares her journey of self-discovery, which led her to 'marry herself' symbolically as an act of self-love and commitment to her own needs. Prior to this she said she had been a chameleon, adapting to situations and people around her instead of understanding herself. We delve into the Enneagram, a model of human psyche. Caroline advocates for the Enneagram as a powerful tool for understanding our behavioural patterns, deepening our relationship with ourselves and others, and ultimately awakening to our true selves. We talk about this tool in the context of the work environment. And we cover the importance of self-reflection.
Caroline Tanja Banz felt since she was a child that one day she would like to do something to make a difference. At first she wanted to be a musician, but then she completed a commercial apprenticeship. Then she became a mother to two wonderful boys. Music has accompanied her over the years and she still loves to bring joy to people with her music. When she later studied law, she learned a lot of practical things, but soon knew that this was not fulfilling her long-cherished desire. Today she is a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC) and a trained Enneagram Coach. She loves her profession and has always enjoyed supporting people. Nature and sustainability are very close to her heart.
Connect with Caroline
Through her website Be Your True Self
Resources Mentioned
Be Your True Self sung by Caroline Tanja Banz
The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz
Episode 120, Reconnecting with Sam Allen

Saturday Jan 06, 2024
#157 Being Human (from the archives + new intro)
Saturday Jan 06, 2024
Saturday Jan 06, 2024
"Happiness comes from a wide variety of different sources. And actually happiness is not the one single thing that we should pursue because part of being human is the whole world of emotion and feelings. And all of them are valid." Gavin Andrews
In this episode, we explore the concept of mind-body connection and its implication for workplaces. The excerpts highlight the importance of understanding and embracing emotions and feelings as a part of human intelligence rather than suppressing it. Guests share insights on navigating emotional data, enhancing emotional intelligence at a large scale in organisations, the power of belonging, importance of feelings, and the intersection of emotions and rationality. The conversation also emphasises the need for leaders to understand employee emotions, challenge unconscious biases, and foster a greater sense of belonging in the team. The episode offers a different perspective than traditional ways of thinking, urging listeners to tune in to embodied consciousness and bring their emotional selves to work for a more fulfilling and meaningful work-life.
7:30 Steve Haines on how minds and body are connected and the importance of feeling safe including with our interactions with others
13:00 Gavin Andrews on accessing the wisdom of the heart and state of coherence - an optimal state for heart and brain to be in
17:55 Rebecca Cheetham on mind-body disconnection and squishing emotions
18:50 Lisa Milnor on bringing awareness to the body
25:10 Gavin Andrews on bringing our emotional self to work
26:55 Steve Haines on how to make sense of sensations in our body
28:50 Matt Phelan on emotional data in the workplace and a sense of belonging
35:55 Jenny Ashmore on the power of a sense of belonging for teams
Resources Mentioned:
My forthcoming book: Leading Beyond the Numbers: How Accounting for Emotions Tips the Balance at Work
Alison Jones & Practical Inspiration Publishing
Coaches Rising
Episode 10, Life Beyond the Numbers, This Feelings Business with Steve Haines
Episode 38, Life Beyond the Numbers, Wisdom and Technology with Gavin Andrews
Episode 48, Life Beyond the Numbers, Baby Steps with Rebecca Cheetham
Episode 49, Life Beyond the Numbers, A Sense of Belonging with Jenny Ashmore
Episode 59, Life Beyond the Numbers, Weird & Wonderful with Lisa Milnor
Episode 67, Life Beyond the Numbers, Better Understanding with Matt Phelan

Saturday Dec 30, 2023
#156 2023 in episodes - Susan Ni Chriodain
Saturday Dec 30, 2023
Saturday Dec 30, 2023
In this final episode of 2023, I take a reflective look back at the year, highlighting some guest interviews, insights and personal journeys. The journey from episode 116 to 156 was marked by diverse conversations traversing topics like personal growth, slowing down, challenges the significance of creativity, self-expression and giving people the chance to be themselves in order to create a more productive and happier workplace. And I share some anecdotes about writing my forthcoming book and the valuable insights gained during the process. As we head into 2024 I encourage listeners to embrace life's simplicity and to dare to achieve your potential.
Episode Snippets from:
Episode #116 Challenges - Diego Adame
Episode #120 Reconnecting - Sam Allen
Episode #121 Courage - Robbie Swale
Episode #122 What Matters Most? Susan Ni Chriodain
Episode #126 Slowing Down - Professor Giana M. Eckhardt
Episode #127 The Performance Paradox - Kerry Cullen
Episode #134 I Feel Like Me Again - Jo Hunter
Episode #135 The Twin Trails - Achim Arnold
Episode #143 Executive Presence - Sue Rosen
Episode #145 Facilitate People - John Fairhurst
Resources Mentioned
64 Million Artists January 2024 Challenge
Inner Development Goals (IDGs)
Leading Beyond the Numbers: How Accounting for Emotions Tips the Balance at Work by Susan Ni Chriodain

Saturday Dec 23, 2023
#155 Friends - Susan Ni Chriodain
Saturday Dec 23, 2023
Saturday Dec 23, 2023
"I felt younger, I felt nostalgic, I felt the preciousness of life and the genuine appreciation of true friends." Susan
In this episode, I reflect on the significance of friendships in my life and the joy that they bring. I share experiences with friends from different phases of life, including colleagues from Deloitte, a friend from Pakistan, and school friends. I highlight the importance of friendships during challenging times and expresses my gratitude for my friends - many of whom I met at work.
Resources mentioned
Consolations: The Solace, Nourishment and Underlying Meaning of Everyday Words by David Whyte

Saturday Dec 16, 2023
#154 Be Curious - Dr Susanne Evans, David Lee and Me
Saturday Dec 16, 2023
Saturday Dec 16, 2023
"If I'm working with somebody and they don't do their agreed upon "homework" and I'm telling myself a story like, Oh, they're not motivated. They're lazy. They don't take it seriously. And instead of coming from that judgey point of view, asking, so what happened? And it turns out they didn't understand what the assignment was or whatever. Get curious, not furious. Get curious instead of judging." David Lee
Dr Susanne Evans, David Lee and I tackle the topic of motivation. We share their own examples, interpreting our motivations for our own personal behaviours and habits. We also explore motivation in a broader workplace context, including during change in an organisational setting. We emphasise the individuality of motivation, the need for leaders to understand team members' unique motivating factors, and the importance of cultivating a curiosity-driven rather than judgment-driven mindset in organisational settings.
Dr Susanne Evans is an organisation change consultant, trainer, coach and researcher on a mission to change the way that transformations are managed in organisations. She founded Feldspar Consulting in 2007 to help her clients lead change in a more human, effective way. As well as writing and speaking about organisation change, Susanne hosts open storytelling workshops, supporting organisations and individuals in writing a compelling story for themselves, and she is the host of the popular ChangeStories podcast.
David Lee is a coach, consultant, workshop facilitator, keynote speaker, and author, who loves creating a win/win/win relationship between people and the organizations they work for. He helps leaders and leadership teams learn how to become "people whisperers", and by doing so, increase their ability to make their organization THE choice for "A List Talent" and inspire the best in their people.
Connect with Susanne
On LinkedIn
Through her website: Feldspar Consulting
Listen to Change Stories podcast
Connect with David
On LinkedIn
Through his website Human Nature at Work
Resources Mentioned:
The video version on YouTube
Quiet by Susan Cain
Atomic Habits by James Clear
Dark Horse: Achieving Success Through the Pursuit of Fulfillment by Todd Rose & Ogi Ogas
The School of Life
Change Anything by Vital Smarts
Four Tendencies by Gretchen Rubin
Drive by Daniel Pink’s
Dr. John Launer on ChangeStories Podcast
David Rock SCARF Model

Saturday Dec 09, 2023
#153 Self-love - Stephan Pfingsten
Saturday Dec 09, 2023
Saturday Dec 09, 2023
"When people realise that I don't have enough self-love, I don't think you can teach somebody to have self love or to have a connection to your heart, but you can, become more conscious with the lack of it. And by doing that you start to vest in your own love and then in the love for other beings." Stephan Pfingsten
Stephan Pfingsten and I discuss his concern for the imbalance in global consciousness versus technological advancement. He explains how accumulated past traumas unconsciously affect us and suggests that we need to strive for an honest and emotional self-reflection in order to unlock our hidden potential for personal and societal transformation. Stephan shares his journey from working in accounting to being a CEO with a focus on human potential. We explored the symbiotic relationship between nurturing our inner potential and effective leadership, connecting with our heart-space, unlocking emotional intelligence in the business space, and why this is essential for harmonious, sustainable growth in the world.
Stephan Pfingsten's special gift is to be able to see a human being in all of her/his potential and in her/ his sufferings and longings. He is dedicated to accompany a person in developing her/his potential to the fullest. After graduating with a MBA he spent 3 years with Coopers & Lybrand (PwC) in San Francisco to become a Certified Public Accountant (CPA) in the State of California, U.S.A. After that he held various senior management positions in multinational enterprises in the software, banking and automotive industries in the US, Italy, and Germany. Later he received various coaching certificates.
Connect with Stephan
Through his website
On LinkedIn
On Facebook
Resources Mentioned
Ken Wilber

Saturday Dec 02, 2023
#152 Asking for Help - Migena Gjerazi
Saturday Dec 02, 2023
Saturday Dec 02, 2023
"Asking for help, I mean, I had no clue that that was the way out. It didn't even cross my mind at all. It's so crazy that asking for help was the way out." Migena Gjerazi
Migena Gjerazi and I delve into personal visions, change, surrender, taking responsibility for our choices and asking for help. Migena shares the importance of aligning with values that bring joy and excitement, even when the vision is unclear and encourages trust in the first step and openness to the unfolding path. She shares insights on imposter syndrome and suggests practical tools to combat self-doubt, including self-compassion, acceptance, and positive feedback. She recounts a powerful anecdote about asking for help and how this simple act can offer others an opportunity to contribute to our growth, creating a network of support and collaboration.
Migena Gjerazi MBA, CPCC, PCC had a stellar career with over 20 years in HR and Finance and is now an award-winning coach and facilitator in Copenhagen, a TEDX-er and an award-winning entrepreneur in her native diaspora (Albania). Migena has led countless coaching & leadership programs for UN agencies, engineering institutes, Amazon, Mars and many more, and many hours spent in the coaching chair. Her magic is supporting her clients to shine, inspire, and create empowering change. She is the queen of facilitation and the slayer of imposter syndrome. Migena is a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach (CPCC) and Certified Leadership Coach trained by the Co-Active Training Institute; Professional Certified Coach (PCC) by International Coach Federation, Organizational Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC) and LCP certified.
Connect with Migena
Through her website
On LinkedIn
Resources Mentioned:
Episode 120, Reconnecting with Sam Allen
Influence is your Superpower by Zoe Chance
Untaming Femininity Podcast

Saturday Nov 25, 2023
#151 Setting Intentions
Saturday Nov 25, 2023
Saturday Nov 25, 2023
"There is something about setting intentions and having it written down or saying it out into the world that makes a difference, especially if it's something you want to do."
In November 2022 I spoke about my intention to write a book in episode 110, Four Week Streaks. I reflect on the year that followed with a focus on the power of setting intentions, building habits and consistency and the fact that life can change in an instant.
Resources Mentioned
Episode 110 Four Week Streaks
Episode 122 What Matters Most
Episode 138 About Time
Episode 87 Susan Speaks

Life Beyond the Numbers
Are you curious about having a more fulfilling work-life? Do you believe in putting people first and in purpose; not just profit at any cost?
If so, this podcast is for you.
We place a lens on the human side of work-life. We look at life beyond the numbers and at the uniqueness of people. All guests believe in putting people first and inspiring you to let your uniqueness shine through in your work-life.
80% of people report feeling disengaged at work. Are you included in this 80% or are you part of the 20% who is engaged in the workplace?
Host Susan Ní Chríodáin founded Beyond the Numbers to work with teams and individuals in organisations who know that putting people first generates the greatest return. Her experience and business acumen stem from a wide variety of commercial and non-profit roles. For over 20 years she led and managed multi-disciplinary and multi-cultural teams in Europe, Africa, Asia, in-person and remotely.